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Post by Simmo » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:00 pm

We still have the Seniors to look forward too! Here we come final. lets bring it home!

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Post by Boris » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:33 am

This morning we were scheduled to play Iran in the senior quals but they didn't show, Belgium were tougher than expected but we ended up winning comfortably. Against Italy (who had beaten the French and we think drawn with the Americans) Dave took Rob D aside and said - don't get p*ssed off with the sloppy goals you are letting in - this is how they score! To be fair they were much stronger defensively (at least their two best players who played singles) than expected, but in the doubles the inexperience of the weaker team members was more apparent. Dave & Chris took the first game but Rob D lost in two singles games to their top player Massimo Ragona after being 4-2 up on Bobby-Sport, in the second doubles Rob D's push-kick destroyed them on RS and general control and a comfortable Garlando win made the match score 2-1. Dave Z then got a good start in the second singles but was beaten sweat ball on RS then more easily on Garlando, leaving me and Chris to play their two weaker players in the final doubles, and thanks to some determined defending and timely goals from the back from Chris, and a determination not to let it get to the third game from me, the deed was done.

Final is 11am local time (10am UK) tomorrow morning - time to get some sleep. Nearest thing I've had to a lie in for a week!

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EPIC VICTORY!

Must see video!!! YOUTUBE CLICK HERE

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Post by Oatsey » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:01 am

Although I could not see the match I think the senior team won the Gold!!

Come on World Champions!!!!!!

Well done!!

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Post by Oatsey » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:27 am

Can you believe it , they seem to have posted the wrong result on the ITSF result site !!!!!!!!!!!!

They just changed it to Germany winning Gutted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by cmau » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:09 pm

Well done Brice!

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Post by PADDY. » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:45 pm

Well Done Sarah

Outstanding!

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Post by Jude » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:22 pm

Watched the whole thing on Kazoom, best 10 Euro ever! Jim's commentary is just great, and Joe did a good expert stint during the men's final.

Very unlucky UK men, especially Juj - that could/should have gone your way.

Awesome effort from the women too, again so close.

Big bummer this morning cos seniors final Kazoom stream did not work, and also bummer that you guys didn't make it.

Congrats to all the winners and to ITSF - a great event

I think I want to be there next year...

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Post by cbalife » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:47 pm

Just got a Kozoom thing, such a shame about the game against France! The French looked in shock, it was brilliant, then you see a close up of Potts and Brice singing the national anthem for a nice contrast hahah. Also- Who needs the snake, eh? Its a rubbish shot anyway, I hear.

Well done to everyone :)

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Post by Jody » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:34 am

Some pics taken by Yann Chemineau.
http://photo.chemineau.eu/petits-ballons
(Click on each day at the bottom of the page on the above link) The photo of team GB at the opening ceremony is on the 6th Jan link.

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Post by Christopher Lyall » Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:02 pm

A few videos have gone up on the ITSF website here: http://www.table-soccer.org/videos/?p=1. They include the last moments of the GBR-FRA quarter-final and the ATHA/HAMILTON-COLLIGNON/V.D.CAUTER Men's Doubles FInal.

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When we were playing France

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The French (FYI - Bottom right - Ludovic Neri - who had some pretty serious cheating allegations against him before our match)
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Post by Simmo » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:19 pm

Joe Bundy wrote:When we were playing France

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The French (FYI - Bottom right - Ludovic Neri - who had some pretty serious cheating allegations against him before our match)
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They all look dodgy to me

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Re: ITSF World Cup and World Championships, Nantes 2012

Post by davez » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:08 pm

Senior Singles
Thursday was senior singles and a tough day for me. I found it hard to adjust quickly enough to the tables and handles; the schedule is so tight there are minimal training opportunities. I had a hard draw, playing qualifier games against Jet, Boris and Harald Reitprecht, the top Austrian senior whom I beat in the Garlando Worlds final. I won 4 of the 8 games, annoyingly losing 6-7 in two of them, and so just scraped into the top 16; 11 seniors didn’t qualify, including players like Bruce Nardoci and Paul Hoogsteyns. At least half your games are guaranteed to be on your home table; as it turned out I played 5 on Garlando, 2 on Roberto and 1 on Leonhart.

In the knock out I was drawn against Axel Jager, German Bonzini specialist who came 2nd in the qualifier ranking. He pipped me 5-4 in the first game on Bonzini, and then I drilled him 5-2 on Garlando. He took the next on Bonzini and then I easily took the 4th on Garlando. I had high hopes for the crucial 5th game because I’d been beating him much more easily on my table than he’d beaten me on his. But sadly it didn't work out that way; he skanked 2 on Garlando and then 2 more on Bonzini to beat me 5-3 in the fifth. It was of course very disappointing because I had hoped for a podium place, with Jurgen on my side of the draw and Uli and Harald on the other. So I finished 9th out of 27.

Senior Doubles
Chris and I also had a very hard draw in Senior Doubles, with Uli & Jet, Hartprecht & Svoboda and Spirit Mollice and Dave Hopfinger (USA) in our list. Unbelievably, we lost all 3 of those games 7-6, but we won all of the remaining 5. In the knockout we were drawn against Bochet/Baelen from France. It was an epic match with some great swings. We came out strong and went 4-1 up in the first game, on Bonzini. But somehow they crawled back into the game and came back to beat us, which was obviously very upsetting after nearly taking the game so convincingly. We then drilled them 5-1 on Garlando, but lost 5-3 on Bonzini. We took the 4th 5-2 on Garlando, and now it was our turn to win 5-3 in the fifth game. They were very unhappy.

Our second round match was against Italian al volo players Massimo Ragona and Fabrizio Mello, whom we had beaten 7-5 in the qualifiers. But this time they consciously played a very different game, playing a far more aggressive style of al volo. In fact they banged the rods and jarred the table with every play, even if they didn't actually make contact with the ball. I don’t know why we didn't call a ref immediately, but I think we were probably carried away by the excitement of the game, and the size of the gathering crowd, who were enjoying their style of play. We lost the first game 5-3 and then I called a ref. In the 2nd game the ref made a number of calls in our favour. It might have seemed fair but it still wasn't. Every play they made involved banging the rods. I protested to the ref that he wasn't giving enough jar calls, but he said it was OK if the ball wasn’t under our rod when the jar occurred. This systematic error cost us the match.

The crowd grew in size and there was a lot of very noisy support for the Italians. We lost the Garlando game 5-3, and then lost the 3rd on Roberto 5-4. I feel that they basically cheated us, stealing our chance to play Uli & Jet in the semi-final. I spoke to Heinz Keisling about this afterwards and he said that if he was reffing it would have been very different,i.e. jar, jar, technical, technical, technical. I plan to make a complaint to the ITSF, not just about our specific referee, but about the fact that this style of play can apparently be in principal tolerated. Clearly ITSF referees need guidance about how to judge this style of play.

Senior Team
Yes we were 2nd, our best result ever! But still disappointing not to win, as we came so close. The team was Dave Ziemann (c), Chris Haddon, Rob Davey, Boris Atha, Eddie Edwards and Paul Martin, with Mase as our upbeat and positive coach.

We had to play Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Iran was also in our group, but they forefeit. Each fixture comprises 5 legs (3 doubles and 2 singles, which each of 4 players playing twice). Each leg is a home table game and an away table game.

First up was Netherlands on Roberto. We drew the first doubles leg, Chris and I taking the Garlando game 5-2 but losing 5-3 on Roberto. Then Rob did the same in singles, winning 5-1 on our home table and losing 5-2 on Roberto. So we were 2-2. But then Rob and Boris took the 2nd doubles leg with convincing wins on both tables, giving us a 4-2 lead. I drew the 2nd singles leg to make it 5-3, and then Chris and Boris took the 5th leg with convincing wins on both tables, and so we won the fixture 7 games to 3.

Next was Austria, also on Garlando, who we expected to be our strongest opponent. Rob and Boris lost the first doubles leg on both tables, to Harald Reitprecht and Gottfried Hahn. We were 2-0 down. Then I played the first singles games against Peter Swoboda, a player who although he has no 3-bar at all, has a hard hacking 5 and astounding and consistent power shots from the back (drilling them past me even when I dropped back). I won my games 5-4 and 5-3 to even the score at 2-2. And then Chris and I won the 2nd doubles convincingly on both tables to go into a 4-2 lead. Next up was Rob playing 2nd singles against Harald, who is essentially an evil on-the-fly tic-tac push kick/dink maniac. Rob destroyed him 5-0 in game one, and then lost 5-3 in the 2nd game, to take our lead to 5-3. In the final doubles Chris and Boris won both games 5-3 to take us to another 7-3 victory. On a personal note, the Austria match was my best performance, winning both my singles and doubles games. As a team our performance on Friday was very different from the day before!

On Saturday we had Belgium on Leonhart. First up were me and Boris. We took the Garlando game 5-0, but lost the away game 5-2. Paul Hoogsteyns was by far their best player, and he was very good on Leonhart. Rob then won his two singles games 5-2, and then paired with Eddie to take both doubles games, to take us to a 5-1 lead. Then I played Hoogsteyns at singles; he drilled me on Leonhart but I beat him easily enough on Garlando for the win. Eddie and Boris finished the fixture with a win and a loss to give us another 7-3 victory!

We planned to top our group so we would avoid playing Germany (who we expected to top their group) until the final. Germany did win their group, but there was a very close fight for the 2nd qualifier, with Italy, France and USA in the mix. We were supporting USA because we fancied playing them, but we were surprised to find that Italy qualified 2nd. We found out why the following day!

Learning from our experience in Senior Doubles, we called a referee for our match with Italy. In fact we had two different refs by the end. Even though they didn't abuse the rules this time, we hadn't reckoned with the strength of their al volo singles players, Massimo Ragona and Fabrizio Mello, who respectively beat Rob and I on both tables. It’s a style of play which is as frustrating and annoying as it is successful. But on the other hand we completely dominated them in doubles, winning all of our games 5-3 or better on both tables.

In the knockout the format changes; it’s still 5 legs, but each leg is a first to 5 best of 3 format, with the third game played multi-table. The first to get 3 legs wins. Because they dominated us in singles, and we dominated them in doubles, none of the legs went to three games; they were all won in 2 games.

Nevertheless there were some anxious moments going into the last leg with the score even, until Chris and Boris signed the deal with 5-2 wins on both tables.

Then we knew we were playing Germany in the final!

We came so close! Chris I started well on Garlando, winning 5-0, but then losing on Leonhart 5-2. But we lost the 3rd multi-table game 6-4, so losing the leg. Then Rob beat Jet in singles to even it up. Then Rob and Boris played doubles, first narrowly losing on Garlando but then winning on Leonhart. Unfortunately they also lost the decisive 3rd game 6-4. I then played my old nemesis Jurgen Stachowiak in singles, the one whom I beat in the Garlando Worlds Senior Singles final, and had a totally disastrous match; while he was as strong as usual I played truly badly, failing to mount a serious threat in either game. I was gutted at my performance in that leg, but when I look back, I realise that we actually had the opportunity to close it in the first three legs.

Apart from playing poorly in that leg, my main frustration was with insufficient Leonhart skills; there wasn't enough time to fully adjust my passing and catching to the incredibly bouncy ball. We are going to need a Leonhart table to practice on!

But still, we took silver, our best senior team result ever, and suddenly the Germans don't seem as strong as they once did.

Many thanks to a great team, and very positive coach Mase. We had some great laughs, and Rob and Mase had me crying with laughter at times. I think though, that I should also send my apologies to Chris's wife, for any changes she may notice in his personality.

There didn't seem to be as much pickup as last year, and I didn't feel I met so many new people. The players’ parties were also non events. As usual I felt sad that I wasn't able to see the other GB teams play particularly the women’s epic match against France.

I’m already thinking about how to make next year even better all round...
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Re: ITSF World Cup and World Championships, Nantes 2012

Post by Mase » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:19 pm

Hi Guys,
I feel it is right that I do a review especially considering this was my first time there. As always these are my opinions and how I saw it hope you enjoy reading , should it be too long I have divided it into sections that you might be more interested in. In large this is a brain dumb.

The wow factor
Upon entering the venue my mind was replaced by that of a giddy 8 year old. It was something special, my heart was beating a little faster every few seconds when I saw something else new and impressively done. A large basketball stadium turned into what can only be described as a theatre of foosball arrested my senses for four whole days.
Following the first few minutes when the giddy 8 year old Ben had left and the 29 year old sceptic returned I walked round the venue (after getting my TST handles) in an effort to find fault and pick my usual fight that is not there. Much to my surprise I could not, the venue was brilliant (a little warm at times but heating is needed in January), decked out in banners befitting an event of this magnitude it really did create the right atmosphere for such a special occasion. The Kozoom staging was awesome, it felt like they were as proud to be there as foosball was proud to be on tv. This coupled with a stadium seating that holds circa 1250 meant there was no doubt that Foosball was in town and the main attraction. I am sure you will see 1000’s of photos on facebook over the next few days and hopefully lots on here too, I hope they do it justice. The Wow factor obviously lessened throughout the four days but one could not help be impressed and smile at the occasion, the pomp and ceremony a dozen or so times a day.
Layout
The venue was laid out so that the main body of tables (90) was occupying two thirds of the hall with the main stage occupying the other third. Three of the four walls had large tiered seating with the one in front of the main stage being fully open and very large. The other two walls had less seating but were impressive never the less. All the walls were covered in large ITSF banners and advertising. There were also an 8 by 10 foot flag of each nation present on display.
The main stage was set out with three areas so three matches could be played at once and televised. The middle area being the Eurosport and commentary area with a full camera crew working from noon to 11pm each day.
The large table area was still very impressive, with dedicated tiered seating areas for tables so knockout matches could have large crowds (see Team GB ladies vs France on youtube).
Lighting was awesome throughout.
Misc
The food at the venue was fairly good if slightly over priced but with a large selection and plenty of people serving the wait was never too long.
The desk area was huge and coupled with the manufacturers stands, TST stand and ITSF sales booth there was a village feel to that area. FAST was easily accessible with several large screens dotted around with rolling information about groups, games and standings, it was obvious all of this had been thought through and any past mistakes learned from.
Behind the large desk area was a table holding area, here there were eight of each type that were kept in reserve should any table need replacing or repairing. These were also swapped in if several of the same sort was needed for simultaneous games.
TST handles love them and think they are really functional. Dislike the fact it seems like a money making scheme. I’m about 60% for.
Professionalism – This describes what is on display for the majority of a participants time at the event. It runs so smoothly and is so well done.
Referees – seemed a little unfair and people didn’t get a break. Jon May must have done 10-12 hours over the four days which is a bit of a drain one would imagine. More refs are needed and possibly the ITSF should look to pay a dozen refs who are not playing to do it all the time.
Tables
Fireball - played really nice and were really good. Hopefully Dennis will just leave it now as it really doesn’t need changing. This is mark IV and it is only four years old.
Leohart - an absolutely awesome table, took a little getting used to however I absolutely loved it. The only issue is that it is fairly expensive. Talking to the German team this is here to stay.
Garlando - has gone further down hill in quality with 2-bars bent on many tables. When I requested a 4th Garlando for our seniors knockout match as the first three were all bent Farid came over and said that we just had to cope as all 2-bars were bent due to cheap quality rods.
Roberto Sport – did not play it once as I am not a fan but reports were that it is as good and bad as before. An observation worth making is how few people chose it as a table. I was told that it was far in the way the least popular choice in singles and doubles but it seemed obvious it was that way to anyone that was looking .
Bonzini – Not for me. Shot a few front pins on it and few pull shots just not a huge fan.
All tables were ready to play when we got there, they did not need wearing in they were ready and that was nice to see.
GB Juniors
I did not get to see any of this but did have a few games with the boys over the week. Heard really good things about Matty and by the sounds of it he is our next great hope. Played a couple of games with Callum can’t remember who against but I know we did well and he smashed a few from the back. Mind you if he gets any more relaxed he will fall asleep. Nice to see two young lads that enjoy the game. Hopefully they will stick with it.
GB Ladies
Well, where do we start? I will say just one thing. “How close can you get?” These girls did everything you could and just missed out. They qualified through a difficult group which I think made them stronger. Then in the knockout they had a 2hour 20 minute (someone told me time) epic against the French. I was told that Sarah Brice played the game of her life and should be very proud. Lou Bag is a great addition (how long till we can add Olga also).
GB Mens
Got through group easily and took three legs of USA with Mike 1-1 with Ryan in singles. The game against France was pre-empted by a rather odd situation in which it might have been possible the French saw the GB team selection and match order before they entered theirs. This was not able to be resolved and only resulted in GB being even more fired up.
The match itself was incredible. The atmosphere was something else. Must have been in excess of 300 French people watching and cheering with another 150 or so from other nations.
5 minutes before the match – we were getting drowned out by “Allez les Bleus” so a bald man started “God save the queen”, thank god two words in everyone joined in and oh my we were loud. This continued for 3 minutes with peope taking it in turns to start the singing. All of a sudden this was very real. The team members looked focussed and so ready, Joe Bundy the coach looked most nervous of all but beamed with pride. We kept up this noise all the way through only losing our way in the 3rd game of the 5th match.
Game 1 – Rob came out the blocks so fast and smashed Maxime Blin (an oddly wired, intense little man) all over Bonzini. Maxime then won the Fireball leg scoring only 1 goal from the 3bar. Rob got it done in the tie break. GB 1-0 France
Game 2 – Dave (Jedi) Bareham and Joe (no fuss) Hamilton played absolutely brilliantly. Dave made block after block and scored a cracker on Bonzini. Joe passed well and scored well and looked so relaxed all the time. Not once did Joe looked overwhelmed.
Game 3 – Juj looked solid the whole time and matched Dos Santos all the way, Juj did have the ball on his 3 with a shot to win. Maybe a time out could have been the option but he saw his opportunity to put it away and took it, unfortunately it did not turn out to be a goal and Dos Santos went on to win. Losing to a player like Dos Santos is no disgrace he is a formidable player and came joint 3rd in WCS Singles. So proud of how close you came bro.
Game 4 – Tom and Steve were brilliant. The old partners back together fighting for their country. Tom was superb on Fireball and Steve great up front on the Bonzini. They came so close again with shots to win but alas it was not to be. They should be really proud of themselves they played great. I really felt they deserved it too.
Game 5 – Talk about pressure. Mike stepped up and won the first leg on Fireball. I don’t believe anyone thought he would beat Adel on the Bonzini, the hope being he might score the odd goal in the 3rd. Adel got off to a flyer in the 3rd game and Mike could just not catch him.
It was great to be a part of this. Everyone played so well. Watching this reminded me why I should be glad Joe found Tasha. I now get to play with Dave Bareham. LOL.
GB Seniors
This was really a tournament that caused hope, worry and relief. With the addition of Rob Davey we really felt we could improve on last year’s bronze, there would be the extra strength in the singles to push us on. With this (hope) in mind Rob D, Paul M and myself spent Thursday playing and watching DaveZ, ChrisH, BorisA and EddieE play in the doubles and singles seniors events. By Thursday evening we were crying into our beer. The day had not gone well. The guys won’t mind me saying, they were nowhere near good enough and got beaten too many times (worry).
We turned up on Friday and had to play Holland and Austria. I was nervous but remained upbeat as did we all. By half way through the Holland match (relief) it showed that Thursday was simply a blip. ALL the players stood up and just smashed aside the opposition. Beating Holland 7-3 then
Austria 7-3. The next group game was Belgium where Eddie played up front on Leonhart and scored 4 from 4 to make an emphatic point of how to shoot a front pin. DaveZ, Boris and Rob D all played well BUT a special mention needs to go to Chris Haddon. He was awesome out the back and scored so frequently he regularly out scored his forward partner. In one match against Austria he scored 4 in one game and 3 in the other.
The Knock outs saw us drawn against Italy – these guys play fast and random. This went right to the last game which saw Boris and Chris take it on. I say take it on, maybe I should say pick it up and run. They were a freight train and ran through them. Boris shot so well as did Chris and within 5 minutes we were in the final.
The final was always going to be tough, the German team had the top two doubles teams and the top two singles players. We narrowly lost the first match in the tie break 6-4. Rob D then blew Jet away in two straight in the second match. In the spirit of close matches we lost the 3rd match 6-4 in the tie break again. This meant we had to win the last two matches and despite a great effort from Dave Z it wasn’t to be and we lost the 4th match.
I was so proud to be involved with the seniors and the whole event. Thank you for asking me.

I could really have written forever about this in even more boring detail but I will summarise now.

Squad GB was full of some great players who really know how to turn it on. They should all be proud of themselves and know that they did all they could. I cannot wait for GB Men to play and beat France next year. The event is a spectacle of foos and is a must.

I loved every second of it.

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Post by Bundy Volume 1 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:56 pm

Delayed - but I just wanted to say that having watched the matches of all 4 GB teams, that when it mattered no player could have given any more.

They should have all returned from Nantes knowing that they have done themselves, the BFA and Britain as proud as they could be.

It was a genuine pleasure to be involved in this group of players.

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Post by Graeme » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:06 am

Great review Mase, thanks.
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Post by Mase » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:19 am

Graeme wrote:Great review Mase, thanks.
Cheers mate, think you might be only person who has read it in full. I re read it and realised it really is just a brain dump.

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Re: ITSF World Cup and World Championships, Nantes 2012

Post by Christopher Lyall » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:55 pm

Report now up on the main site.

http://www.britfoos.com/events/teamgb/2400

Thanks to everyone who contributed information and feedback about the tournament in this thread. There's currently lots on the men's and senior teams, and not much on the women's and junior: if anyone from the women's or junior team wouldn't mind saying a few words about their experiences then I'll be able to say a bit more!

Mase - your report made it in.

If you find any errors just let me know.

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