Oatsey wrote:Apparently Tony spredeman is there and beat Rob in OS!
Rob Davey is quite correct in my opinion Ryan Moore significantly attendence added to the numbers at Ben Masons Bristol Event last year.Rob Davey wrote:Apparently he is and if true - what a great marketing opportunity missed!!!!
I think anyone running an event would prefer to know a world class player was attending rather than have it as a surprise on the day?????????????
I would be of the opinion that Tony would have added even greater numbers (no disrespect to Ryan) given Tony's unique and exciting style of play.
Rob Atha quoted on this forum that he had to raise his game to a level he that he was never required to do in the UK before to win the OS Final in Bristol and many people commented that it was the greatest game of Foos they ever saw in the UK.
All said it was good for UK Foos Players and Rob Atha and foos Lovers in General.
To Address Rob Daveys ?????????
I was aware that Tony was going to be in Ireland about five weeks before the event on vacation as he was staying with me.
This is a bit long-winded but bear with me.
On the 1st of July I as part of my duties as Secretary of the Irish Foosball Association posted on this thread reminding Irish Players intending on competing that an ITSF license was required to compete in an ITSF Sanctioned Tournament and three players have had their license's suspended due to non payment of annual fees to the IFA.
This seemed to be an issue with some players (some former committee members of the IFA) who for some reason refuse to pay fees to the IFA or accept that the IFA is the ITSF sanctioned body in Ireland.
These players seemed to have no such issues when they controlled the committee of the IFA.
My post on July 1st was simply to advise Irish players of these requirements but it seemed to escalate into stand off between the IFA and the Tournament Director and Promoter prompted by some of these players.
I as secretary of the IFA contacted the Tournament Promoter and outlined the position of the IFA (why should players who refuse to pay their fees receive the same treatment as the players that do) and in my opinion it contravened ITSF rules.
In the meantime Boris Atha posted and outlined the position very clearly.
Then the Tournament Director posted and stated all were welcome to compete regardless of membership or license requirements.
This clearly undermined the ITSF,BFA & IFA three regulatory bodies striving to promote and develop foosball.
I contacted Joe Bundy and while I understand as a promoter you want as many players as possible he basically told me that he would discuss the situation with his Tournament Director the result of that discussion was then conveyed to me in a manner and tone which I could only regard as an affront to the IFA.
The ITSF then clarified the situation in no uncertain terms.
Then having asked Tony would he consider attending the UK Masters and partner me to which he agreed I decided to travel and compete in the hope common sense would prevail
I WAS GOING TO ANNOUNCE TONY SPREDEMANS ATTENDENCE BUT GIVEN THE LACK OF ANY SOLUTION IN SIGHT WHY WOULD I.
I must also clarify that Tony Spredeman was not made aware of the potential problems until the last minute and was asked to remain completely impartial.
On arrival at the venue we found that the DYP was canceled due to the non delivery of Table Tops Joe Bundy as Tournament Promoter was understandably upset.
I offered a solution as I am a director of a company 25 miles away I offered him a truck and driver within an hour who would collect the table tops and bring them to the venue that night (FOC) this offer was spurned.
I then presented to Joe and his Tournament Director a directive from the ITSF clearly stating the rules regarding the issue of players being licensed and ITSF sanctioned Tournaments.
The response I received after they read the ITSF directive was that they were going to ignore it and XXXX XXX.
I then informed them that I was not going to compete and leave as the IFA & ITSF cannot be treated with such disregard.
Sharon Fogarty a fellow Committee Member of the IFA attempted to find a compromise but received the same response and then she stated that she was also not going to compete and leave.
Tony Spredeman who was present for this "discussion" stated that he had no wish to be involved nor take sides but if we were leaving that he would also leave with us.
I was gutted that Tony was put in this position and out of loyalty he was prepared to leave with us.
Only then did the attitude change and they said that they would wait for Boris to rule on the matter on the saturday morning.
On the saturday morning Boris Atha President of the BFA and General Secretary ITSF met with Sharon and I and offered the membership fees for the 3 players who's licenses were suspended and the player whose license had to be imported.
Sharon then inquired if the four players had agree to pay and Boris informed her that he was personally willing to pay.
At this stage two of the four players had arrived at the venue and reiterated that they were not prepared to pay their membership fees to the IFA.
After a brief discussion with Sharon we decide to reject this offer from Boris on principle.
I was gutted and did not know how I was going to convey this news to Tony that Sharon & I were leaving and he was free to get a new partner for the OD and MD.
And with all due respect to Boris he was gutted too as he was placed in an impossible predicament.
Thankfully at the last minute Jonathon May could see I was visibly upset and as I explained the problem he proposed a solution.
A document was drafted with Jons help.
Irish Foosball Association
Basically the document says that Boris Atha (President BFA ,General Secretary ITSF paid the membership fees for
The above named individuals refused to pay membership fees to the IFA.
The IFA compromised and accepted Boris Atha's gesture to avoid any conflict at the UK Masters in Penkridge.
This document was dated and signed by Boris Atha and Damian Glavin and a copy is on its way to the ITSF.
I then accessed the ITSF website and created a license for Robert Lawlor and reinstated the licenses for Dave Lawlor, Norman Cloney & Louise Herring a document was then produced license details given to the Tournament Desk.
My understanding was that Louise was not attending anyway and Norman failed to show which is a shame as it left Rob Atha without a OD partner.
Matter concluded for now.
Should any of the above named players not wish to the members of the IFA all they need to do is put it in writing and the Treasurer will refund Boris Atha.
But bear in mind that I am of the understanding that the ITSF are drafting stricter regulations to avoid problems like this arising in the future.
So the long and short answer to Rob Daveys question is that four players tried to hold the ITSF,IFA, & BFA to ransom and it inadvertently affected the turnout at the UK Masters.
Foos is bigger than any individual and Irish Foosball will move on with them or without them it really does not matter.
The generation of foosers I am interested in is the next one the choice is theirs.
This split involving the above named players has been in existence long before I returned to the game.
I had a good laugh and a few beers with the Rob and Dave Lawlor over the weekend and enjoyed their company.
Well Done to Rob for his second place finish in the AS and also for winning the Open DYP with Tony Spredeman a competition my company sponsored I hope you enjoyed a few beers with the winnings.
Also congrats to Rob and Dave for winning the 3000.
Our Financial Controller gave me a bollocking when he became aware it could not be claimed as tax deductable expense ah well he will get over it.
It was even suggested to me that if I excluded a player or two from my weekly foos sessions we could all get on.
I don't want to go off topic but there other issues which I will post in the post tournament thread
On the Sat morning all the table legs were loose and the only tool available was a vice grips.
Richard Potts was visibly struggling basically the tables were unplayable.
I suggested to Rich that we drive into the town where we found a huge market and after a bit of a struggle managed to purchase a ratchet long extension bar and a socket Rich you are a gem of a bloke and it was a pleasure to spend that time with you.
I paid for the above mentioned tools and never even received a thank you from the Tournament Organisers with the exception of Rich Potts