BFA Logo Poll

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We need a new logo

YES
30
75%
NO
10
25%
 
Total votes: 40

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BFA Logo Poll

Post by The Doctor » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:09 pm

IMHO the current BFA logo does not help us in our attempts to present a credible professional image to outsiders.

Despite having given us creditable service over the past few years, it is time to lay it to rest - along with its poorly-drawn man, go-faster swoosh and irredeemably naff shade of yellow.

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Post by Richard » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:21 pm

Redesigning the last one took forever.

Basically, if someone can come up with something clearly better then feel free and i am sure everyone would be happy to move forward. But this is not as simple as it sounds.

The yellow can be removed dead easily.

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Post by The Doctor » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 pm

Hmmm yes... a competition.

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Post by nfm24 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:20 pm

I refer you to the previous poll on this: http://www.britfoos.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2861

If I remember correctly, the shape of the man in the current logo was deliberately chosen to avoid matching any particular table too closely (though the colour indicates Italian tables).
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Post by Mase » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:32 pm

Why not ask Cle a user on here who designs foosball motifs if he can do it or come up witht afew ideas.

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Post by tom_k » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:39 am

I did a very slightly revised version in March last year (just a quickie though)
See here:
http://www.oxalto.co.uk/images/BFA_revised_200703.jpg

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Post by Philo » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:52 am

"foos-ball what the hell is foosball?"

yes I know its old ground but what most brits call table football we insist on calling Foosball. This is an unnecessary barrier to new players looking to progress for a start. If we change the logo I would like to see the name changed.

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Post by leaks » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:03 am

Yeah, gotta say I call it Table Football with everyone who isn't in the tournament community otherwise they have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Post by robmoss2k » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:05 am

No. We're British. We don't call things British.

Call it the Table Football Association, it makes us sound like we were first, and it sounds intensely professional.
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Post by nfm24 » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:56 am

Absolutely agree that the name of the organisation should have "Table Football" in it.  As Philo correctly says, this is a real barrier for us getting new players.

The BFA was originally "Bar Football Association".  I was at the AGM where the name was changed.  When the vote was taken to change the name, there were several names involving "table football" (the votes were split across them), and there was only one with "foosball".  Put together, the various TF name votes outnumbered the foos vote.

It seemed the main reasons behind the change to "British Foosball Association" were
(1) supposedly more young people would know what "foosball" was (clearly not true)
(2) the BFA acronym would stay the same (irrelevant)
(3) a dodgy weighted vote narrowly came out in favour.
(4) BTFA and TFA had been used previously by other bodies (the latter by myself as a club with my school friends since I was about 12...).

Anyone who knows what the word "foosball" means also knows what "table football" is, and that they are the same.  The only possible confusion would be with Subbuteo or similar.  The people in the grass roots group who have been phoning up venues say that almost nobody knows what foosball is, while the vast majority know what TF is.

Even the Americans don't use the word foosball in their association name, they use "table soccer". As do the ITSF.
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Post by Dancing Defence » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:53 am

Table foosball?
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Post by leaks » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:30 pm

robmoss2k wrote:Call it the Table Football Association, it makes us sound like we were first, and it sounds intensely professional.
And we only need to change one letter in the logo ;)

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Post by Boris » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:42 pm

As Richard says, the current logo took months to design and agree.  If someone comes up with a better version which looks more professional then I don't see a problem with considering it (or even having a competition).  It has been suggested that we drop the yellow background.  The figurine was intended to be non-table-specific.

The name change was also the subject of intense debate at the time.  Using Foosball is specific to our sport, whereas 'table football' gets confused with subutteo.

There have been a number of 'table football' organisations in the past, most notably the British Table Football Association (BTFA) which existed from around 1995-2000, and also other associations back in the mists of the 70s and 80s.  We have been the 'BFA' for nearly 10 years now (I think the anniversary is October 2008).

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Post by nfm24 » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:59 pm

Boris wrote:The name change was also the subject of intense debate at the time.


I know, I was there.  I've posted my recollection of the "debate" above. There were only around 10 people at the AGM as I recall.
Boris wrote:Using Foosball is specific to our sport, whereas 'table football' gets confused with subutteo.
By who? I would far rather use TF and have a few muppets get confused with Subbuteo, than use foosball and have nobody know what it means.  The BFA began as "bar football association", which is even more confusing.
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Post by Chaz » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:07 pm

I like the competition idea.

I also like the idea of exploiting students with free time!
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Post by davez » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:29 pm

Google hits:

foosball - 3,240,000
babyfoot - 1,960,000
tischfussball - 886,000
"table football" - 766,000
"table soccer" - 465,000

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Post by The Doctor » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:32 pm

Yes, but if you look at just the pages from the UK:

"table football" - 302,000
foosball - 56,000
babyfoot - 24,700
tischfussball - 3,770

These stats make more sense - especially with the French and German terms coming last.
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Post by The Doctor » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:34 pm

Similarly, if you look at the trends for the UK exclusively, foosball doesn't even have enough volume to rank!

http://www.google.com/trends?q=foosball ... all&sort=0

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Post by davez » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:36 pm

Oh dear. Looks like a definite decline in the number of hits, with an interesting spike at the end of each year, whose magnitude is also decreasing year on year. What does it mean?

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