Moving a Garlando Coperto

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Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:52 am

Hi everyone, I am new to this forum and to the game. But I think it will be a good idea to have a table for my family. So instead of watching TV or spending too much time on the mobile phone, bonding over a game of foosball , may be better.
I manage to find a used Garlando Coperto table. But I soon realised that transporting it is a huge problem. I do have a MPV that can be used to move it. And I have my 20 years old son to help move it together with me.

Instead of carrying it as a whole, I was thinking of breaking it down to a few parts to reduce the load. I know the legs can be separated. I read earlier in this forum that someone ( I believe it was Jonesy ) mentioned that the playfield weighs alot and he has it separated to make the move easier.
So my questions are:

1) Can the top part of it ie the part that holds the rods and the glass top, be separated? I saw that it was hinged and there was a gas struts on both sides that holds it up.
2) can the playfied be separated?
3) how easy is it to put all these back?
4) I will also need to remove the rods and handle as the width is more than the width of my MPV. I read that it can be done with a mallet on a spanner.
5) any special tools needed for the above? Or just allen keys, spanner, mallet and screwdrivers will do?

If all these are possible, I am left with 5 parts ie legs, main body (that housed the ball return and coin mech), top part, handle cum rods and playfield. Thus, making it lighter for us to carry.

As to the conditon of the table:
1) I saw that this table is fitted with the rare John Prescott player with spinny feet and funny expression. But some of these men are not properly aligned. I don't see it as a problem as I recall seeing a allen key hole on each of these players. I think it can be loosen and rotated back for correct alignment. Is it as simple as it seems?
2) rods are telescopic and generally smooth
3) playfied is of sandblasted type....but I do like to know how does one test if it is flat? I had a visual check and ran my palm over it and it seems fine.

Sorry for the long message....and hoping for some guidance.
thank you
doug

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by Jonathan may » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:36 am

dougl wrote:1) Can the top part of it ie the part that holds the rods and the glass top, be separated? I saw that it was hinged and there was a gas struts on both sides that holds it up.
2) can the playfied be separated?
3) how easy is it to put all these back?
4) I will also need to remove the rods and handle as the width is more than the width of my MPV. I read that it can be done with a mallet on a spanner.
5) any special tools needed for the above? Or just allen keys, spanner, mallet and screwdrivers will do?

If all these are possible, I am left with 5 parts ie legs, main body (that housed the ball return and coin mech), top part, handle cum rods and playfield. Thus, making it lighter for us to carry.

As to the conditon of the table:
1) I saw that this table is fitted with the rare John Prescott player with spinny feet and funny expression. But some of these men are not properly aligned. I don't see it as a problem as I recall seeing a allen key hole on each of these players. I think it can be loosen and rotated back for correct alignment. Is it as simple as it seems?
2) rods are telescopic and generally smooth
3) playfied is of sandblasted type....but I do like to know how does one test if it is flat? I had a visual check and ran my palm over it and it seems fine.


Normal way to move the tables is to take the legs off. If the top part including rods doesn't fit, remove the rods. If the top part still doesn't fit, and it's a split cabinet (yours is from the gas struts reference) you can separate the top further but this is where it gets a bit fiddly. If you can avoid taking apart the split cabinet, do.

The play field can be removed to make it lighter easily enough. There are clips in the top half of the split cabinet accessible from the inside of the table. Again though you probably don't need to do this. If you think about it once you remove legs and rods, you have a box of x by y by z. However you now break it down further, x and y (your maximum dimensions) don't change; only z and the weight. So if x and y are still too big, you're screwed anyway. I understand the weight question but with rods and legs off it's not as bad as it seems; probably 70-75kg? You can remove the internal ramps and coin box too easily enough to reduce weight further.

You don't need any special tools. To get handles off you can normally just knock them off with an adjustable spanner.

Warning: some gas struts can be a bit dangerous when removed - be very careful.

I think you are overly worried about the weight. Two strong men can easily lift the cabinet.

I've never actually seen those men installed so can't advise on how they are attached. However, this might affect how easily you can remove the rods. If you took a photo I could probably help. Normally Garlando figures are moulded to the bars, so can't be removed and if they break you need to replace the entire rod, but IIRC that type are attached differently.

Sandblasted glass surface will almost certainly be flat unless the cabinet is severely warped. Wouldn't worry about that.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:26 am

The reason why i wanted to break it down to many parts is it has to be carried through some narrow places and i must be able to tilt it vertically when needed. Such, lighter parts are just more maneuverable. But i do agree that it's tricky more so when i have to assemble it back.
I do find what you suggest about removing just the playfield and ball return stuff do make it light enough to carry, and wo the tricky hassle of putting those back, as compared to putting the top part back.
I also agree with your XYZ explanation. Right now, i am a bit screwed because the wooden handle can't be taken off. I tried heating them with a hair dryer and knocking them off with a mallet, but it was futile. Any other idea for removal wo breaking them?
The players are held on to the rods with a Allen key and it can be loosen.
But the 2 problems i saw was there are puddle of water between the sandblasted glass and the wood board under it. Do you see any potential issue here?
The 2nd issue are the springs, some are already broken and are left with a much shorten spring. But i thought i can get spares or maybe get some manufacture here. Shouldn't cost too much, i reckon.
What is the problem with removing those Gas struts? Dangerous? It seems to be working, it does hold up the top part well.

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:28 am

I do have some photos but i can't seems to post them. Is it because i am new and certain privilege aren't available to me?

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by Jonathan may » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:42 am

Puddle - if it's dry now then it's probably fine. Mould would be annoying. If it's warped then you might consider replacing it. The paper underlay between the glass and the wood is regularly replaced and you can even make custom ones yourself.

If still wet, dry it.

Springs: Garlando sell replacements. Sometimes these are welded on to inner rods; where this is the case you need to replace the whole inner. Shorter springs are generally better as they make passing harder.

Gas struts - I have had one jump out and hit me in the face before after I started to remove it. Still not sure exactly why. If you don't remove them I'm sure they are fine.

Handles - there is a specialist tool for this but it's expensive. I used to make them but I have run out. The principle however is the same and you should be able to use an adjustable spanner in a similar way.

If this doesn't work the handles may be superglued on or attached differently. Photos would help.

See: https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/29833084@N02/3527532127/

And

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8G-xgcaWEJw

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:59 am

Thanks for the attached vid and pictures. I have seen them before while researching this move. That's you in the video?
Anyway, banging the handles with a mallet and a spanner, is a method i tried but failed. Instead i managed to dent some of handles. Looks like i have to get a van that's wider than the table with rods and handle intact. Unless i find new ways to remove them...
Any idea if this is worth it? The cost to me is 50£. Some water has seeped in between board and glass. Inner Rods are bit stiff, no rust but i think it's been not oiled properly. Outer rods has some rust near handle. Men are of the spinny leg type. Some panel of wood have peel off. But can be glue back. I will post some fotos.
Thanks for the help.

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by Jonathan may » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:43 pm

Yup that's me.

Photos and I'll tell you if it's worth paying to move it.

Tables go on eBay for 50-250 every week. Did you pay anything for this one?

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:24 pm

https://flic.kr/p/s3m5YX
Ok. ...here is the link. Video and many photos.
Worth it at 50£? May have to factor in another 100£ for delivery.

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by Messiah » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:16 pm

You can ususally fit a Coperto De Luxe with handles attached into an estate car with the back seat down.
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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:07 am

Hi Jonathan, I may have a solution. I think its quite foolish of me not to think of it earlier. Given that my problem lies with not being able to fit it into my MPV due to the protruding handles...how about removing all the rods with the handle on them? These players are allen-key-screw onto the rods, I can always remove them.
1) So on the non handle side of a specific rod, I saw that there is a black disc with 2 screws. I will unscrew them, The rod should dangle off that end.
2) I then unscrew one player at each time and slide them off that end. With all the players and springs having slid off that end, I can now pull the rod out from the other end. However, the handle end of the rod, I saw a similar black disc but with no screws. Can I just simply pull the rod out?
These rods are all telescopic.
Workable?

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by Messiah » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:47 am

Can you take a few pictures and host them on Flickr or similar and post links to make it clearer exactly the set up you have?
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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:24 am

Hi Dan, I have posted a flickr link above earlier.
Nonetheless, here is the link again:

https://flic.kr/p/s3m5YX

These picures shows quite clearly. I have also a video.
Thank you

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by Jonathan may » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:40 pm

Removing the rods like this should work given the players and springs can move.

As you pull the outer rod out over the end of the inner, it is likely you will encounter a little resistance via a tiny cylindrical black plastic washer (probably). This is normal, and nothing much to worry about, just pull.

The table looks totally reparable and I would keep it for that money. :-)

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:16 am

Jonathan, if i recall right, there is this black sort of disc on the non handle side that's on the inside of the table, and one actually screw on another black disc from the outside of the table. My question is how do i remove this "inside" disc? Without which, i can't pull it out from the other end. And the springs plus players can't be slid off.

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Re: Moving a Garlando Coperto

Post by dougl » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:35 pm

Hi Jonathan and Dan, managed to get the rods out with the handle still on. Thus, i save on delivery charges by using my mpv. Thnx for the help in this phase. I will surely need help as i refurbs it in the next few weeks. Thank you, guys.

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