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Old school - Indoor league Fred Trueman

Post by austinio » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:43 pm

Sure the older guys have seen this - but first time for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2QRnF1KtiM

Wobbly old balls back then.
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Post by decromax » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:44 pm

Just showed my dad this. He said he used to play on a similar table back in the day. Does anyone know what table it is?

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Post by willhawkes » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:50 pm

It's probably a Brighouse but some of the seniors can confirm. Thanks for sharing this, I've put it on Facebook too (www.facebook.com/britfoos if you all don't know already).

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Post by Brian Harms » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:39 pm

I believe the table was a modified ( for Indoor League ) Ruffler & Walker/Brighouse type telescopic rod table. One end was remove and a clear plastic panel inserted so cameras could show low level action. Sarah Brice's dad took part so may have more info. Here's a Brighouse table with a glass top, from a mid 70's national championship game at Rootes Hall, Warwick University. Zoom in on the guy with the Buddy Holly glasses. Ring any bells?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/baharms/14349505743/

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Post by PaulM » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:15 am

The Guy who did the modifications to the tables was Wally Osbourne. Wally was the the Team Captain of the Grange Pub, on Ealing Common. The Grange was part of the London League in the early seventies. We have spoken of this league before on this forum. Wally was one of the driving forces of early Table Football competition in London. The Grange was the seventies equivalent of Bar Kick. The best place in London to play.They had 3 tables. They had a great team, and often placed well in the London league. Brian Harms was captain of the Blacksmith Arms in St Albans(Lilliput Table), and I was Captain of Brooklands College in Weybridge(2 Brighouse Tables). Brooklands had to close as we lost the Table. It was lost to my Garage. So Brooklands team merged with Kingston Polytechnic.Kingston had 5 Brighouse tables. A very strong team. Mazin Roauf, Saeed Al Maadafi,Neil John,Ray Casey,Roger Neill plus wats his name? and me. I have to say we were good. The Hop Poles in Hammersmith was another great team. 2 divisions with 6 or was it 8 teams in each division. It was easy to get people to play, as there was little else to occupy our time.
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Post by matty96 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:20 am

Does anyone know the guys playing doubles from Leeds and Doncaster in the clip?

Or perhaps even played them? I guess they must be in their mid-sixties now. I wonder if they still play?

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Post by Shovo » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:40 pm

matty96 wrote:Does anyone know the guys playing doubles from Leeds and Doncaster in the clip?

Or perhaps even played them? I guess they must be in their mid-sixties now. I wonder if they still play?
https://www.facebook.com/john.kropacz/likes

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Post by Brian Harms » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:37 pm

I believe Neil Dawson played socially against Kropacz & Bowkett at the Tally Ho pub in Doncaster in the mid 70's.
His BFA details are
http://forum.britfoos.com/forum/memberl ... file&u=318
Here's a similar indoor league thread
http://forum.britfoos.com/forum/viewtop ... f=2&t=3052
I played K&B at doubles just the once about then at Warwick and we actually won.
Never played the Leeds pair.

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Post by StillAlive » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:55 pm

PaulM wrote:The Guy who did the modifications to the tables was Wally Osbourne. Wally was the the Team Captain of the Grange Pub, on Ealing Common. The Grange was part of the London League in the early seventies. We have spoken of this league before on this forum. Wally was one of the driving forces of early Table Football competition in London. The Grange was the seventies equivalent of Bar Kick. The best place in London to play.They had 3 tables. They had a great team, and often placed well in the London league. Brian Harms was captain of the Blacksmith Arms in St Albans(Lilliput Table), and I was Captain of Brooklands College in Weybridge(2 Brighouse Tables). Brooklands had to close as we lost the Table. It was lost to my Garage. So Brooklands team merged with Kingston Polytechnic.Kingston had 5 Brighouse tables. A very strong team. Mazin Roauf, Saeed Al Maadafi, Neil John, Ray Casey, Roger Neill plus wats his name? and me. I have to say we were good. The Hop Poles in Hammersmith was another great team. 2 divisions with 6 or was it 8 teams in each division. It was easy to get people to play, as there was little else to occupy our time.
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Hi Paul,

I think "wats his name" you refer to was my partner, Clive Honey - easily the best attacker on Brighouse tables I have ever seen, and I was lucky to have him as my attacker.

Happy Days indeed! :D

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Post by Boris » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:49 pm

Roger - you missed out at the Birmingham Open last year when John Kropacz and Frank Bowkett - Indoor league champions - put in an appearance (taking Bronze in rookie doubles!).

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Post by Brian Harms » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:27 pm

View 2016 Birmingham Open
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khkTBT74uTU
after about 26 to 30 seconds John Kropacz and Frank Bowkett, Indoor League 70's winners, are warming up.
Here are their 40 years ago alter egos winning ITV's Indoor League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2QRnF1KtiM
Best after about 18mins 55 secs
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

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Post by StillAlive » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:24 pm

Boris wrote:Roger - you missed out at the Birmingham Open last year when John Kropacz and Frank Bowkett - Indoor league champions - put in an appearance (taking Bronze in rookie doubles!).
Hi Boris, yes, I missed it by about 6,200 miles :D - I haven't been back to the UK for nearly 15 years. Definite shortage of football tables here :( .

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Post by StillAlive » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:27 pm

Brian Harms wrote:View 2016 Birmingham Open
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khkTBT74uTU
after about 26 to 30 seconds John Kropacz and Frank Bowkett, Indoor League 70's winners, are warming up.
Here are their 40 years ago alter egos winning ITV's Indoor League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2QRnF1KtiM
Best after about 18mins 55 secs
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
Great links, Brian - thanks very much.

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