The BFA Cup 2011

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Boris » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:23 pm

Unfortunately the hopes of sponsorship didn't come off, so no prize money this year. Very nice trophy though! Has to be returned but a club can keep it if they win it 3 times!

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Phil Williams » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:08 pm

so the entry money is being spent on what exactly?

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Boris » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:51 pm

Helping to subsidise the cost of putting it all together - a full budget will be provided at the AGM but the competition will end up costing the BFA a bob or two.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Oatsey » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:36 am

Unfortunately , Famous Al has had to drop out of the Crown team. So if anyone who is an AM or Novice fancies joining the Bristol Crown team please PM me.

Thanks

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Boris » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:51 pm

A last reminder for any other teams to register as clubs and pay entry fees via paypal by midnight tonight. If not the entry will be closed and no further teams will be admitted, with the event run as 2x groups of 6x teams with semi-finals, 3/4 playoff and final as the only KO games.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Oatsey » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:33 pm

Hi, what time will the bfa cup start and will it be finished by 6pm?

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Alex MM » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:25 pm

I'd also like to know what time we're aiming to start as we may have some players travelling down on the sunday just for the BFA cup and getting to this place without a car is looking like a logistical nightmare atm. Nearest train station 4.7 miles away :(

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Mase » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:44 pm

That station is not a great one either for options. You really need to look at getting to temple meads or parkway and bartering for a taxi.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Oatsey » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:59 pm

Any news on start and finish times?

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Sampson » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:19 am

Oatsey wrote:Any news on start and finish times?
Dave, not sure if you've seen this, but there's a timetable here: http://www.britfoos.com/bfa-cup/format-and-timetable

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Oatsey » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:08 am

Thanks Luke, I had not seen that.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Alex MM » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:56 pm

Cheers Luke, I'd forgotten there was a BFA website as well as the forum :D

Thanks Mase I might try getting the bus/coach from bristol if it works out cheaper.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Boris » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:23 pm

Currently we have 12x teams registered which will mean 2x groups of 6 teams, semi-finals and final with the first matches starting at 10am.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Phil Williams » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:12 pm

Only 2 teams in each group goes through? That seems a bit harsh!

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Pete F » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:04 am

Phil Williams wrote:Only 2 teams in each group goes through? That seems a bit harsh!
Indeed ... that link above gives QF times. Take through top 3 and give byes to the top team from each group?

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Bundy Volume 1 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:29 am

Be there until midnight Sunday?

No.

(P.S, this is Boris's event, so I don't set the schedule etc, just an opinion)

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by Jonathan May » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:48 am

Joe Bundy wrote:Be there until midnight Sunday?

No.

(P.S, this is Boris's event, so I don't set the schedule etc, just an opinion)
Actually taking through top three is a good idea, in my opinion. Otherwise:

1. Teams who have lost a game or two have nothing to play for for the rest of their matches. This will ruin the experience for some. With top three qualifying you pretty much have some reason to fight to the end!

2. It only lengthens the total tournament time by one match, as you run the two QF matches simultaneously, and the two top teams are seeded straight to the SFs.

One match is a small price to pay for improving the experience of about 4-5 of the teams in the groups, in my view. Particularly since teams have paid to enter and there will be no money on offer as prizes.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by bigjumbo » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:07 am

Isn't 2 groups of 6 then semi -> final a much longer format than what was proposed earlier according to Boris' draft schedule.

There are 15 matches to play per group so that makes a total of 33 matches to play. The group stages
will take 5 rounds.

With 3 groups of 4 and quarters -> semi -> final you have 6 matches per group but just two matches for the quarters (as two highest scoring group winners could be straight to Semis) so that makes 23 matches in total.

Be there until midnight on Sunday? I wouldn't mind if we reach the final :o

In terms of value for money, the longer format is better as, on average, teams can expect to play more matches and I would favour that. In terms of competition though, I agree with Jon, let's put three through to keep some fight in the groups and have a QF.

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by jamesofptfs » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:54 am

I do not have the luxury of being able to stay until midnight unfortunately. The last chance to get home by train on Sunday seems to be 2127 even though I only live just down the M5. If time restrictions mean groups of 4 seem better then that is reasonable - I was expecting groups of 4 anyway - but it does seem 8 teams could be taken through including the 2 best 3rd place finishers then quarter finals determined on seeding from group results. If 3 matches doesn't seem enough for those who don't qualify then they could play a semi and final for a 'plate'.

Alternatively we could play until the first train goes in the morning - I could even make it back for lectures...

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Re: The BFA Cup!

Post by ybbun » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:00 pm

Here's Boris's original schedule for groups of 4 with QFs:
10.30am – Group stage Round 1
12pm – Group stage Round 2
1.30pm – Group stage Round 3
3.30pm - Quarter-finals
5.30pm – Semi-Finals
7.30pm - Grand Final & 3/4th play-off
If each match takes 1.5 hrs, then changing to have groups of 6 lengthens the schedule by 3 hours (5 group games each rather than 3), and then adding QFs as well lengthens it by 1.5 hrs more.

Also with 2 groups of 6 there might be a risk of not having enough tables in the group stage to have all matches being played simultaneously?

So I don't understand how this can ever work without extending way into the evening. People need to catch trains back so we want an early finish.

Boris - why have we changed to 2 groups of 6 and how would it fit into the time available?

Personally I like James' idea of following the original schedule (3 groups of 4) with the top 8 teams going through to QFs, and having a 'plate' for the bottom 4 teams.

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